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	<title>Comments on: No kidding! Operator pays YOU for incoming calls!!</title>
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		<title>By: Rahat Azim</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/08/no-kidding-operator-pays-you-for-incoming-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-13699</link>
		<dc:creator>Rahat Azim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Banglalink one of the mobile operator in Bangladesh offered 20% bonus talk time on incoming calls from other operator since November 2007. Bonus talk time offered end of each month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banglalink one of the mobile operator in Bangladesh offered 20% bonus talk time on incoming calls from other operator since November 2007. Bonus talk time offered end of each month.</p>
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		<title>By: Divaina</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/08/no-kidding-operator-pays-you-for-incoming-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-13698</link>
		<dc:creator>Divaina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 06:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do operators charge for the SMS we get when a call is missed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do operators charge for the SMS we get when a call is missed?</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Samarajiva</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/08/no-kidding-operator-pays-you-for-incoming-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-13668</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohan Samarajiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A missed call is not a call received, so will not attract a payment.

This scheme is a short term exploitation of a delay in regulation catching up with decreased costs of terminating calls.  As soon as TRAI lowers termination to around 10-20 paisa, Virgin will find another stunt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A missed call is not a call received, so will not attract a payment.</p>
<p>This scheme is a short term exploitation of a delay in regulation catching up with decreased costs of terminating calls.  As soon as TRAI lowers termination to around 10-20 paisa, Virgin will find another stunt.</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmali Sivapragasam</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/08/no-kidding-operator-pays-you-for-incoming-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-13665</link>
		<dc:creator>Nirmali Sivapragasam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wonders what kind of an effect such a change in the tariff structure could have on the use of “missed calls” as a cost-saving strategy among telecom users.

Findings from the Teleuse@BOP2 (http://lirneasia.net/projects/2006-07/bop-teleuse/) study revealed that over 30% of all telecom owners at the BOP made and/or received missed calls.

If operators begin paying their customers for the incoming calls they receive, this creates a greater incentive for users to receive calls than they are to make them. As such, one such way that users could communicate to the other party that they wish to speak to them (and directly or indirectly, would like them to call back) at no cost, is through missed calls which can be used to communicate a variety a messages, one such being “Call me back”.  

The extent of increase in the use of missed calls, however, would depend on several factors such as the relative benefit a user enjoys from received calls, as opposed to the cost incurred to make one, etc. Furthermore, such a phenomenon could arguably create a disincentive for operators to pay customers for incoming calls received. 

At the end of the day, I guess the potential long-term impact such a tariff scheme could have on a user’s demand for missed calls ultimately depends on how responsive the regulator (in this case, TRAI) is to the change in tariff structure, as well as the extent to which an SMP operator is allowed to exercise its power on the rates at which termination charges are set at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wonders what kind of an effect such a change in the tariff structure could have on the use of “missed calls” as a cost-saving strategy among telecom users.</p>
<p>Findings from the Teleuse@BOP2 (<a href="http://lirneasia.net/projects/2006-07/bop-teleuse/" rel="nofollow">http://lirneasia.net/projects/2006-07/bop-teleuse/</a>) study revealed that over 30% of all telecom owners at the BOP made and/or received missed calls.</p>
<p>If operators begin paying their customers for the incoming calls they receive, this creates a greater incentive for users to receive calls than they are to make them. As such, one such way that users could communicate to the other party that they wish to speak to them (and directly or indirectly, would like them to call back) at no cost, is through missed calls which can be used to communicate a variety a messages, one such being “Call me back”.  </p>
<p>The extent of increase in the use of missed calls, however, would depend on several factors such as the relative benefit a user enjoys from received calls, as opposed to the cost incurred to make one, etc. Furthermore, such a phenomenon could arguably create a disincentive for operators to pay customers for incoming calls received. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, I guess the potential long-term impact such a tariff scheme could have on a user’s demand for missed calls ultimately depends on how responsive the regulator (in this case, TRAI) is to the change in tariff structure, as well as the extent to which an SMP operator is allowed to exercise its power on the rates at which termination charges are set at.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Samarajiva</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/08/no-kidding-operator-pays-you-for-incoming-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-13663</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohan Samarajiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 06:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interconnection is not an area where markets work.   The operator who receives the call (the receiving party network) has a form of monopoly on the ability to terminate the call.  Therefore, absent regulatory intervention, they will either refuse interconnection (Bangladesh TTB), or charge excessively high termination rates (Nepal Telecom Corp).   Of course, after the players have gotten big enough, they can negotiate as bilateral monopolies and set prices, but these will not be set by the market, even in that instance.

The termination rates were set by TRAI.  They are too high.  They will be lowered.  This is a temporary phenomenon that will disappear when that happens.  I do not think Chanuka was exaggerating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interconnection is not an area where markets work.   The operator who receives the call (the receiving party network) has a form of monopoly on the ability to terminate the call.  Therefore, absent regulatory intervention, they will either refuse interconnection (Bangladesh TTB), or charge excessively high termination rates (Nepal Telecom Corp).   Of course, after the players have gotten big enough, they can negotiate as bilateral monopolies and set prices, but these will not be set by the market, even in that instance.</p>
<p>The termination rates were set by TRAI.  They are too high.  They will be lowered.  This is a temporary phenomenon that will disappear when that happens.  I do not think Chanuka was exaggerating.</p>
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		<title>By: Chanuka Wattegama</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/08/no-kidding-operator-pays-you-for-incoming-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-13661</link>
		<dc:creator>Chanuka Wattegama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KM,

I guess the point you try to make is the market itself will take care of this &#039;marketing gimmick&#039;.

Still I think it is enough reason for the regulator to be concerned. As we all know there are no perfect markets in the world. If there are perfect markets we don&#039;t need the regulators in the first place.

Agreed, the receivers will also not accumulate significant credits, as you rightly point out, but the perception (see the ad) per se can still increase the outgoing calls at public sector departments. So it is surely a concern for the government (which TRAI and DoT are part of). Think that might be the reason they react.

We highlighted the story to discuss the externalities and surely not to praise Virgin Mobile. But of course, I was once a journalist and old habits die hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KM,</p>
<p>I guess the point you try to make is the market itself will take care of this &#8216;marketing gimmick&#8217;.</p>
<p>Still I think it is enough reason for the regulator to be concerned. As we all know there are no perfect markets in the world. If there are perfect markets we don&#8217;t need the regulators in the first place.</p>
<p>Agreed, the receivers will also not accumulate significant credits, as you rightly point out, but the perception (see the ad) per se can still increase the outgoing calls at public sector departments. So it is surely a concern for the government (which TRAI and DoT are part of). Think that might be the reason they react.</p>
<p>We highlighted the story to discuss the externalities and surely not to praise Virgin Mobile. But of course, I was once a journalist and old habits die hard.</p>
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		<title>By: KM</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/08/no-kidding-operator-pays-you-for-incoming-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-13653</link>
		<dc:creator>KM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh ya, how does trai modify the cost structure of an operator? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh ya, how does trai modify the cost structure of an operator? :-)</p>
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		<title>By: KM</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/08/no-kidding-operator-pays-you-for-incoming-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-13651</link>
		<dc:creator>KM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Are termination rates set by regulator or negotiated by operators in india?

2. what is &#039;due&#039; and &#039;undue&#039; profit?

3. lets assume that bureaubrat calls son for entire working day, 8 hours, how much can she generate?

4. can one expect marketing gimmicks from a MVNO?

5. how &#039;inovative&#039; is a practice that has been around for 7 years at least?

LIRNEasia should know better than the media to sensationalize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Are termination rates set by regulator or negotiated by operators in india?</p>
<p>2. what is &#8216;due&#8217; and &#8216;undue&#8217; profit?</p>
<p>3. lets assume that bureaubrat calls son for entire working day, 8 hours, how much can she generate?</p>
<p>4. can one expect marketing gimmicks from a MVNO?</p>
<p>5. how &#8216;inovative&#8217; is a practice that has been around for 7 years at least?</p>
<p>LIRNEasia should know better than the media to sensationalize.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Samarajiva</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/08/no-kidding-operator-pays-you-for-incoming-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-13631</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohan Samarajiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not an emerging-economy phenomenon.  I first heard of it in Switzerland in 2000, where excessive fixed-to-mobile termination charges led the mobile operators there to run similar ads.   I don&#039;t think it lasted very long because termination charges were brought down.  I played a small role in that, chairing the ITU&#039;s fixed-mobile interconnection workshop that raised the salience of the issue:  http://www.itu.int/osg/csd/ni/fmi/workshop/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not an emerging-economy phenomenon.  I first heard of it in Switzerland in 2000, where excessive fixed-to-mobile termination charges led the mobile operators there to run similar ads.   I don&#8217;t think it lasted very long because termination charges were brought down.  I played a small role in that, chairing the ITU&#8217;s fixed-mobile interconnection workshop that raised the salience of the issue:  <a href="http://www.itu.int/osg/csd/ni/fmi/workshop/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.itu.int/osg/csd/ni/fmi/workshop/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chanuka Wattegama</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/08/no-kidding-operator-pays-you-for-incoming-calls/comment-page-1/#comment-13625</link>
		<dc:creator>Chanuka Wattegama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, if you cannot see the interesting Virgin mobile ad.

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi7r54TBf-A</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, if you cannot see the interesting Virgin mobile ad.</p>
<p>Here it is:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi7r54TBf-A" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi7r54TBf-A</a></p>
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