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		<title>By: brendan</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/09/digital-cigarettes/comment-page-1/#comment-50728</link>
		<dc:creator>brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 12:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is evidence of harm to the brain development of children who use mobile phones heavily, but nothing conclusive yet (despite many studies) of significant harm to adults. We may yet  find mobile-frequencies harm adults somewhat, but it is unlikely to outweigh their benefits; and will never be found to be as silly (real damage with almost no benefit) as smoking. We adults are bags of complaints and, all too often, careless blame-throwers; equally likely to blame an un-powered cell tower or wi-fi access point for an ill as a working one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is evidence of harm to the brain development of children who use mobile phones heavily, but nothing conclusive yet (despite many studies) of significant harm to adults. We may yet  find mobile-frequencies harm adults somewhat, but it is unlikely to outweigh their benefits; and will never be found to be as silly (real damage with almost no benefit) as smoking. We adults are bags of complaints and, all too often, careless blame-throwers; equally likely to blame an un-powered cell tower or wi-fi access point for an ill as a working one.</p>
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		<title>By: brendan</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/09/digital-cigarettes/comment-page-1/#comment-50726</link>
		<dc:creator>brendan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 12:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with some of these observations, but wish to correct other assertions. First, alcohol /is/ universally considered addictive, though not as quickly habit-forming as nicotine or opiates; mostly users of any of these do not become addicts, however. Second, mobile phones have both addictive properties (especially smart phones) and externalities. A substantial and growing body of studies show nuggets of info, and even sugar, trigger the brain&#039;s reward centre quite like any other drug. And, even if one imagines oneself immune to the focus-sapping and conversation-hobbling effects of one&#039;s own phone chimes, the chiming of others&#039; phones and is shout-into-the-mic habits of those around one are noise pollution (an externality). Finally, no evidence supports significant ill effects for those near an outdoor smoker; and evidence against second-hand smoke is even scant for less-confined, less smoke-dense indoor spaces than small, hazy pubs. I still support smoking bans indoors, though. It&#039;s unhealthy even at moderate use and -- while not in fact at all damaging to clarity of thought -- nearly as annoying to a non-smoker as not cleaning feces off one&#039;s shoes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with some of these observations, but wish to correct other assertions. First, alcohol /is/ universally considered addictive, though not as quickly habit-forming as nicotine or opiates; mostly users of any of these do not become addicts, however. Second, mobile phones have both addictive properties (especially smart phones) and externalities. A substantial and growing body of studies show nuggets of info, and even sugar, trigger the brain&#8217;s reward centre quite like any other drug. And, even if one imagines oneself immune to the focus-sapping and conversation-hobbling effects of one&#8217;s own phone chimes, the chiming of others&#8217; phones and is shout-into-the-mic habits of those around one are noise pollution (an externality). Finally, no evidence supports significant ill effects for those near an outdoor smoker; and evidence against second-hand smoke is even scant for less-confined, less smoke-dense indoor spaces than small, hazy pubs. I still support smoking bans indoors, though. It&#8217;s unhealthy even at moderate use and &#8212; while not in fact at all damaging to clarity of thought &#8212; nearly as annoying to a non-smoker as not cleaning feces off one&#8217;s shoes.</p>
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		<title>By: MillenStore</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/09/digital-cigarettes/comment-page-1/#comment-19326</link>
		<dc:creator>MillenStore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, i agree - &quot;50 years ago we did not know that cigarette smoking could be harmful. In 10-20-30 years time we may find that mobiles cause similar or worse problems.&quot; We smoked and to smoke we shall be. Thank You</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, i agree &#8211; &#8220;50 years ago we did not know that cigarette smoking could be harmful. In 10-20-30 years time we may find that mobiles cause similar or worse problems.&#8221; We smoked and to smoke we shall be. Thank You</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Samarajiva</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/09/digital-cigarettes/comment-page-1/#comment-15158</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohan Samarajiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Breaking news:  the Supreme Court has issued a stay order on the envy levy.  Now the burden shifts to the government lawyers to justify why the stay should be lifted.  Democratic processes are still at work in Sri Lanka!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Breaking news:  the Supreme Court has issued a stay order on the envy levy.  Now the burden shifts to the government lawyers to justify why the stay should be lifted.  Democratic processes are still at work in Sri Lanka!</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Samarajiva</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/09/digital-cigarettes/comment-page-1/#comment-15137</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohan Samarajiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 05:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have only two things against smoking.  Humans have always taken mood-altering substances, so I have nothing against them in principle.

As anyone who has smoked knows, cigarette smoking is addictive.  It impairs the decision making ability of the individual.   That is why I do not smoke, but do take non-addictive mood-altering drugs (i.e., alcohol) periodically.  As far as I know, mobile use for voice does not seem to have any addictive properties.  The Koreans seem to think that the Internet has and have established some kind of organization to deal with it.  

Smoking also has negative externalities, in that people who do not smoke but are in the proximity of smokers suffer negative health outcomes.  There are a few negative externalities from having mobile users loudly spill out the gory details of their lives in one&#039;s hearing, but that cannot be equated with contracting lung cancer.   

Then what remains is the faint possibility (not proven by science in any way) of the mobile user getting his/her brain fried (if using the phone against the ear) or other vital body parts toasted if keeping the phone at waist level and using an earpiece.  That is a choice; it should be respected.   People eat bad stuff; do not exercise; go on pilgrimage to Kataragama on dangerous roads during tsunamis; etc.  They do foolish things and they die.  That is their inalienable right.  We must respect that.

So I disagree that even a remote parallel exists between smoking and using mobile for voice.   The only parallel seems to be government&#039;s insatiable desire to tax the hell out of cigarettes in the past and mobile use in the present.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have only two things against smoking.  Humans have always taken mood-altering substances, so I have nothing against them in principle.</p>
<p>As anyone who has smoked knows, cigarette smoking is addictive.  It impairs the decision making ability of the individual.   That is why I do not smoke, but do take non-addictive mood-altering drugs (i.e., alcohol) periodically.  As far as I know, mobile use for voice does not seem to have any addictive properties.  The Koreans seem to think that the Internet has and have established some kind of organization to deal with it.  </p>
<p>Smoking also has negative externalities, in that people who do not smoke but are in the proximity of smokers suffer negative health outcomes.  There are a few negative externalities from having mobile users loudly spill out the gory details of their lives in one&#8217;s hearing, but that cannot be equated with contracting lung cancer.   </p>
<p>Then what remains is the faint possibility (not proven by science in any way) of the mobile user getting his/her brain fried (if using the phone against the ear) or other vital body parts toasted if keeping the phone at waist level and using an earpiece.  That is a choice; it should be respected.   People eat bad stuff; do not exercise; go on pilgrimage to Kataragama on dangerous roads during tsunamis; etc.  They do foolish things and they die.  That is their inalienable right.  We must respect that.</p>
<p>So I disagree that even a remote parallel exists between smoking and using mobile for voice.   The only parallel seems to be government&#8217;s insatiable desire to tax the hell out of cigarettes in the past and mobile use in the present.</p>
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		<title>By: Optimist</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/09/digital-cigarettes/comment-page-1/#comment-15131</link>
		<dc:creator>Optimist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mark,

So would the vegetables you eat as it is full of pesticides and Chemical fertilizer,  So would the vehicle you drive as it is emitting Lead and other hazardous material to Air, So would the electricity you consume,  The clothes you wear, etc. etc. which get produced in factories around the world which emit CO2 causing Global Warming, etc. etc. etc. 

So is taxing the way to save the world???? 

Or is it the way to fatten the politicians who do not give a damn????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mark,</p>
<p>So would the vegetables you eat as it is full of pesticides and Chemical fertilizer,  So would the vehicle you drive as it is emitting Lead and other hazardous material to Air, So would the electricity you consume,  The clothes you wear, etc. etc. which get produced in factories around the world which emit CO2 causing Global Warming, etc. etc. etc. </p>
<p>So is taxing the way to save the world???? </p>
<p>Or is it the way to fatten the politicians who do not give a damn????</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/09/digital-cigarettes/comment-page-1/#comment-15122</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 21:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>50 years ago we did not know that cigarette smoking could be harmful. In 10-20-30 years time we may find that mobiles cause similar or worse problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>50 years ago we did not know that cigarette smoking could be harmful. In 10-20-30 years time we may find that mobiles cause similar or worse problems.</p>
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