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	<title>Comments on: Price war ends receiving party pays in Sri Lanka</title>
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		<title>By: MuHum</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2008/10/price-war-ends-receiving-party-pays-in-sri-lanka/comment-page-1/#comment-16287</link>
		<dc:creator>MuHum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi new to blog, but Mr.Rohan i think that you have got mistake in the last comment, as dialog &#38; tigo have given I/C free. yes its true, that when you see it from out broth the network have given the I/C free, but other two operators too have given, but with "condition Apply" mode, but I see that only network that gives the real freedom on I/C call is only tigo, as it always gives the services to customers on "No Condition Apply"(this is published in public media too). So correct is tigo only doing the fair to its customers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi new to blog, but Mr.Rohan i think that you have got mistake in the last comment, as dialog &amp; tigo have given I/C free. yes its true, that when you see it from out broth the network have given the I/C free, but other two operators too have given, but with &#8220;condition Apply&#8221; mode, but I see that only network that gives the real freedom on I/C call is only tigo, as it always gives the services to customers on &#8220;No Condition Apply&#8221;(this is published in public media too). So correct is tigo only doing the fair to its customers.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Samarajiva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Samarajiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CPP is not in place.

It is fair for Tigo and Dialog to give their customers what they want, which is not to pay for incoming calls.  Nothing is free, so they are paying for the incoming calls through their outgoing calls.

What is not fair is that the fixed networks keep all the money paid to them by their customers for calls to mobile numbers; and not pay any of it to the networks who spend resources to complete the calls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CPP is not in place.</p>
<p>It is fair for Tigo and Dialog to give their customers what they want, which is not to pay for incoming calls.  Nothing is free, so they are paying for the incoming calls through their outgoing calls.</p>
<p>What is not fair is that the fixed networks keep all the money paid to them by their customers for calls to mobile numbers; and not pay any of it to the networks who spend resources to complete the calls.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadun</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI Professor, I hear CPP is not in place, But do you think Tigo and Dialog jumped the gun. Since they will be loosing out on incoming revenues. And if CPP is in place do you think its fair for Tigo and Dialog to offer their tarrif packages with higher call rates. Since that is what they are doing on their per second and incoming free packages. I would think giving incoming calls free is very fair but increaseing outgoing call rates isn't. As CPP anyway is benefited by the network which receives the call, why not pass this benefit to the customer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI Professor, I hear CPP is not in place, But do you think Tigo and Dialog jumped the gun. Since they will be loosing out on incoming revenues. And if CPP is in place do you think its fair for Tigo and Dialog to offer their tarrif packages with higher call rates. Since that is what they are doing on their per second and incoming free packages. I would think giving incoming calls free is very fair but increaseing outgoing call rates isn&#8217;t. As CPP anyway is benefited by the network which receives the call, why not pass this benefit to the customer.</p>
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		<title>By: Absent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Absent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to thank Tigo for this move. The entire telecom market was waiting for this for ages. Finally it happend without regulatory intervine thanks to the competition.

just thought about the recent changes in the mobile market, outgoing free offers, "Upahara" for public sector employees by mobitel.It sounds like a political move infavour of the present government ( The posters and Advertising campaign implies so).

Actually speaking, can an entity offer such a scheme profitably?? where is the money comming from network expansion etc etc??if so why Sri Lanka Telecom cannot make such an offer???

or are we seeing a classical example of cross subsidisation between SLT and Mobitel???if so being a SLT consumer am I paying for somebody else's calls???

is cross subsidisation legally allowed in Sri Lanka???? 

Appreciate if somebody clarify my doubts!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to thank Tigo for this move. The entire telecom market was waiting for this for ages. Finally it happend without regulatory intervine thanks to the competition.</p>
<p>just thought about the recent changes in the mobile market, outgoing free offers, &#8220;Upahara&#8221; for public sector employees by mobitel.It sounds like a political move infavour of the present government ( The posters and Advertising campaign implies so).</p>
<p>Actually speaking, can an entity offer such a scheme profitably?? where is the money comming from network expansion etc etc??if so why Sri Lanka Telecom cannot make such an offer???</p>
<p>or are we seeing a classical example of cross subsidisation between SLT and Mobitel???if so being a SLT consumer am I paying for somebody else&#8217;s calls???</p>
<p>is cross subsidisation legally allowed in Sri Lanka???? </p>
<p>Appreciate if somebody clarify my doubts!!!</p>
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		<title>By: indi</title>
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		<dc:creator>indi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's generally pro-fixed, anti-mobile bias in all government policy, from taxes to termination. Part of it is just the legislation being 20 years behind, part of it is the bias towards the state-owned operator.

Think they also just think of fixed line as a service (like electricity) and mobile as a luxury (to be taxed). Think the fact is that mobile more than anything enables average people, and now enables them to access Internet. Anything that can leave the golden goose alone is welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s generally pro-fixed, anti-mobile bias in all government policy, from taxes to termination. Part of it is just the legislation being 20 years behind, part of it is the bias towards the state-owned operator.</p>
<p>Think they also just think of fixed line as a service (like electricity) and mobile as a luxury (to be taxed). Think the fact is that mobile more than anything enables average people, and now enables them to access Internet. Anything that can leave the golden goose alone is welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Janaka Beneragama</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janaka Beneragama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 09:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With incoming call charges virtually non-existent now I do not care if they have a CPP or RPP. Dialog was making so much profit and it did not seem the RPP system affected them. More than Rs. 9 billion a year is more than enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With incoming call charges virtually non-existent now I do not care if they have a CPP or RPP. Dialog was making so much profit and it did not seem the RPP system affected them. More than Rs. 9 billion a year is more than enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Samarajiva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Samarajiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 05:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is receiving party pays?

In order to complete a call involving two networks (e.g., Dialog and SLT), the resources of both networks (switches, spectrum, wires, etc.) have to be used.   

Currently, when a Dialog customer wants to call an SLT number, she pays a retail price to Dialog.  In order to complete the call, Dialog pays a wholesale termination charge (normally less than the retail price the customer paid) to SLT.  That is what adds up to the LKR 593 million I refer to above.

Currently, when a SLT customer wants to call a Dialog number, SLT charges that customer a price (national call, if I recall correctly).   It does not pay Dialog anything, because under RPP, Dialog is free to cover the cost of completing the call from an incoming call charge.  Under CPP, SLT would have to pay Dialog a termination charge.

Jackpoint's objection to CPP should not be to CPP as such, but to high termination charges levied by mobiles in the UK.  In India, they have CPP, but the termination charges are about the same for fixed-to-mobile and mobile-to-fixed.   

There is nothing sacred about CPP.   But in a converging environment you cannot have CPP for some and RPP for others.   You got to have all under RPP or all under CPP.   Stephen Littlechild makes a theoretical argument that RPP is superior to CPP, but it is clear that what the people want is CPP.   They do not want to pay for calls initiated by others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is receiving party pays?</p>
<p>In order to complete a call involving two networks (e.g., Dialog and SLT), the resources of both networks (switches, spectrum, wires, etc.) have to be used.   </p>
<p>Currently, when a Dialog customer wants to call an SLT number, she pays a retail price to Dialog.  In order to complete the call, Dialog pays a wholesale termination charge (normally less than the retail price the customer paid) to SLT.  That is what adds up to the LKR 593 million I refer to above.</p>
<p>Currently, when a SLT customer wants to call a Dialog number, SLT charges that customer a price (national call, if I recall correctly).   It does not pay Dialog anything, because under RPP, Dialog is free to cover the cost of completing the call from an incoming call charge.  Under CPP, SLT would have to pay Dialog a termination charge.</p>
<p>Jackpoint&#8217;s objection to CPP should not be to CPP as such, but to high termination charges levied by mobiles in the UK.  In India, they have CPP, but the termination charges are about the same for fixed-to-mobile and mobile-to-fixed.   </p>
<p>There is nothing sacred about CPP.   But in a converging environment you cannot have CPP for some and RPP for others.   You got to have all under RPP or all under CPP.   Stephen Littlechild makes a theoretical argument that RPP is superior to CPP, but it is clear that what the people want is CPP.   They do not want to pay for calls initiated by others.</p>
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		<title>By: Careem</title>
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		<dc:creator>Careem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 05:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its great to hear news like these in the Sri Lankan Market where competition is playing a vital role and finally the customer gets the benefits. The authorities should do their job in serving the citizens needs and help implement strategies which will be a win win situation to the customer and supplier. This will lead the country to a better tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its great to hear news like these in the Sri Lankan Market where competition is playing a vital role and finally the customer gets the benefits. The authorities should do their job in serving the citizens needs and help implement strategies which will be a win win situation to the customer and supplier. This will lead the country to a better tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Point</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Point</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 04:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two issues:
I have been against calling party pays, which I believe is the system in the UK. This leads to very high call charges and less usage. Am I correct in this?

On the subject of industry consolidation, it is inevitable given the price war and there can only be one winner - SLT/Mobitel. They do not need to make a profit and I dont think Mobitel CAN make a profit selling the Uphara package (240 per month for virtually free calls during daytime)

Also we hear that SLT has managed to get instructions issued that all government departments and state institutions can only use SLT. This regime will only be too delighted to see the exit of the privately owned telcos and the emergence of the national champion.

The TRC will keep issuing new licenses - the government needs the cash but SLT seems to have a mandate to drive everyone out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two issues:<br />
I have been against calling party pays, which I believe is the system in the UK. This leads to very high call charges and less usage. Am I correct in this?</p>
<p>On the subject of industry consolidation, it is inevitable given the price war and there can only be one winner - SLT/Mobitel. They do not need to make a profit and I dont think Mobitel CAN make a profit selling the Uphara package (240 per month for virtually free calls during daytime)</p>
<p>Also we hear that SLT has managed to get instructions issued that all government departments and state institutions can only use SLT. This regime will only be too delighted to see the exit of the privately owned telcos and the emergence of the national champion.</p>
<p>The TRC will keep issuing new licenses - the government needs the cash but SLT seems to have a mandate to drive everyone out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: Gini Appu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gini Appu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The consumer will win, if the market is allowed to flourish.

The success, or failure, of TIGO's move would depend on one player: Sri Lanka Telecom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The consumer will win, if the market is allowed to flourish.</p>
<p>The success, or failure, of TIGO&#8217;s move would depend on one player: Sri Lanka Telecom.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's RPP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s RPP?</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Samarajiva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Samarajiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In October LIRNEasia will release mobile price benchmarks, which should give us a sense how much the prices have come down and how they compare with the other low-price countries, Bangladesh, India and Pakistan.   

I do not know of any countries where mobile industries has collapsed as described above. Puzzled by the analogy to the US housing market.  The problem was not price competition, but problems in the credit market which created an unsustainable bubble.  

If the TRC acts to quickly level the playing field for the mobile operators by ordering the fixed operators to pay termination charges for calls completed on mobile networks, it will give the mobiles another revenue stream which should help with the collapse you fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In October LIRNEasia will release mobile price benchmarks, which should give us a sense how much the prices have come down and how they compare with the other low-price countries, Bangladesh, India and Pakistan.   </p>
<p>I do not know of any countries where mobile industries has collapsed as described above. Puzzled by the analogy to the US housing market.  The problem was not price competition, but problems in the credit market which created an unsustainable bubble.  </p>
<p>If the TRC acts to quickly level the playing field for the mobile operators by ordering the fixed operators to pay termination charges for calls completed on mobile networks, it will give the mobiles another revenue stream which should help with the collapse you fear.</p>
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		<title>By: Curious George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curious George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Won't this cut throat competition lead to a collapse of the industry. We, customers enjoy every reduction and we are happy. But if the industry collapse like the US housing market, we all will suffer. Are there examples of such collapses due to price wars from other countries???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Won&#8217;t this cut throat competition lead to a collapse of the industry. We, customers enjoy every reduction and we are happy. But if the industry collapse like the US housing market, we all will suffer. Are there examples of such collapses due to price wars from other countries???</p>
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