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		<title>By: ShailaPrasad</title>
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		<dc:creator>ShailaPrasad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hadi: even war lords (including the Taliban) included want to be connected.  we see this in Africa also. so don&#039;t be surprised that telecom networks are &quot;allowed&quot; to operate. 

Also, don&#039;t underestimated the over-reporting of SIMs by Grameenphone.  It&#039;s the largest operator.  So 30% of that is huge.   You are right - an operator doesn&#039;t know if it&#039;s subscribers are using SIMs of competitors. But they CAN and do know if their own SIMs have been used (for a fee generating service) in the past X months (x being 3 months, or 6 months or what ever time frame that the regulator should deem as &quot;active&quot; for a SIM).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hadi: even war lords (including the Taliban) included want to be connected.  we see this in Africa also. so don&#8217;t be surprised that telecom networks are &#8220;allowed&#8221; to operate. </p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t underestimated the over-reporting of SIMs by Grameenphone.  It&#8217;s the largest operator.  So 30% of that is huge.   You are right &#8211; an operator doesn&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s subscribers are using SIMs of competitors. But they CAN and do know if their own SIMs have been used (for a fee generating service) in the past X months (x being 3 months, or 6 months or what ever time frame that the regulator should deem as &#8220;active&#8221; for a SIM).</p>
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		<title>By: Hadi</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2009/10/telecom-access-rankings-in-south-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-28001</link>
		<dc:creator>Hadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you got it all wrong. This is not about Grameenphone. It is an ESTIMATED figure based on the entire Bangladeshi mobile phone market. I found it in some article (can&#039;t remember right now). 

I think its not possible for any operator to know for sure whether their customers are using other operators&#039; connections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you got it all wrong. This is not about Grameenphone. It is an ESTIMATED figure based on the entire Bangladeshi mobile phone market. I found it in some article (can&#8217;t remember right now). </p>
<p>I think its not possible for any operator to know for sure whether their customers are using other operators&#8217; connections.</p>
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		<title>By: Abu Saeed Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abu Saeed Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Hadi

Does Grameenphone consider the 30% multi-SIM users while it reports to BTRC every quarter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Hadi</p>
<p>Does Grameenphone consider the 30% multi-SIM users while it reports to BTRC every quarter?</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmali Sivapragasam</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2009/10/telecom-access-rankings-in-south-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-27999</link>
		<dc:creator>Nirmali Sivapragasam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Official statistics published by each country&#039;s telecom regulatory authority/governmental websites (MCIT in Afghanistan and BTRC in Bangladesh) also reveal similar findings. The no. of GSM/cellular subscribers as of june 2009 are as follows:

Afghanistan: 10.4 million (http://www.mcit.gov.af/)
Bangladesh: 46.69 million (http://www.btrc.gov.bd/newsandevents/mobile_phone_subscribers/mobile_phone_subscribers_june_2009.php)

Using 2009 estimates of population numbers reported by the IMF (http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2009/02/weodata/index.aspx) , the no. of GSM/cellular subscribers per 100 comes to 36.0 and 28.9 for Afghanistan and Bangladesh, respectively.

Mobile subscriber numbers for Bangladesh have since increased (see September data: http://www.btrc.gov.bd/newsandevents/mobile_phone_subscribers/mobile_phone_subscribers_september_2009.php), but per 100 figures are still below that of Afghan data for June 2009)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Official statistics published by each country&#8217;s telecom regulatory authority/governmental websites (MCIT in Afghanistan and BTRC in Bangladesh) also reveal similar findings. The no. of GSM/cellular subscribers as of june 2009 are as follows:</p>
<p>Afghanistan: 10.4 million (<a href="http://www.mcit.gov.af/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mcit.gov.af/</a>)<br />
Bangladesh: 46.69 million (<a href="http://www.btrc.gov.bd/newsandevents/mobile_phone_subscribers/mobile_phone_subscribers_june_2009.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.btrc.gov.bd/newsandevents/mobile_phone_subscribers/mobile_phone_subscribers_june_2009.php</a>)</p>
<p>Using 2009 estimates of population numbers reported by the IMF (<a href="http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2009/02/weodata/index.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2009/02/weodata/index.aspx</a>) , the no. of GSM/cellular subscribers per 100 comes to 36.0 and 28.9 for Afghanistan and Bangladesh, respectively.</p>
<p>Mobile subscriber numbers for Bangladesh have since increased (see September data: <a href="http://www.btrc.gov.bd/newsandevents/mobile_phone_subscribers/mobile_phone_subscribers_september_2009.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.btrc.gov.bd/newsandevents/mobile_phone_subscribers/mobile_phone_subscribers_september_2009.php</a>), but per 100 figures are still below that of Afghan data for June 2009)</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Samarajiva</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2009/10/telecom-access-rankings-in-south-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-27996</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohan Samarajiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We agree&quot; seems to include people other than yourself.  Sorry, that may be your conclusion, but not mine.

Governments collect data from operators, compile them and submit to ITU.  There may be errors due to lack of standardization of definitions, but these are common across all countries and operators.  Governments periodically correct these errors, as has been shown in Pakistan and Vietnam.  This does not support the conclusion that the Afghan government is purposely inflating the numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We agree&#8221; seems to include people other than yourself.  Sorry, that may be your conclusion, but not mine.</p>
<p>Governments collect data from operators, compile them and submit to ITU.  There may be errors due to lack of standardization of definitions, but these are common across all countries and operators.  Governments periodically correct these errors, as has been shown in Pakistan and Vietnam.  This does not support the conclusion that the Afghan government is purposely inflating the numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: Hadi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the number for Bangladesh is just OK. Only we have to consider the 30% multi-SIM users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the number for Bangladesh is just OK. Only we have to consider the 30% multi-SIM users.</p>
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		<title>By: Amar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So now we can agree that the BD Govt should inflate the numbers to make us look good. Can&#039;t believe this has come down to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So now we can agree that the BD Govt should inflate the numbers to make us look good. Can&#8217;t believe this has come down to this.</p>
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		<title>By: Hadi</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2009/10/telecom-access-rankings-in-south-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-27993</link>
		<dc:creator>Hadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Rohan for your reply. I have got all my answers. 

Its the GOVERNMENT which provides all these data..........that basically settles it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rohan for your reply. I have got all my answers. </p>
<p>Its the GOVERNMENT which provides all these data&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.that basically settles it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Samarajiva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rohan Samarajiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Hadi,

I am with you in being surprised.  But we all knew that there was considerable growth in mobile, driven by the systematic and transparent licensing policies.  

Despite a few instances of towers being blown up, for the most part the Taliban allows the mobile networks to function.  As Roshan CEO Khoja says, they operate in all of Afghanistan, unlike the Karzai government that operates in &quot;Kabulistan.&quot;

Also, you must not make too much of headlines.  Sri Lanka achieved high growth in the middle of the 30 year civil war and a tsunami.  People live and work in Afghanistan every day, despite a few bombs here and there.

Again, I want to emphasize that our comment is on the ITU data, as supplied by the respective governments, not data that LIRNEasia has collected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Hadi,</p>
<p>I am with you in being surprised.  But we all knew that there was considerable growth in mobile, driven by the systematic and transparent licensing policies.  </p>
<p>Despite a few instances of towers being blown up, for the most part the Taliban allows the mobile networks to function.  As Roshan CEO Khoja says, they operate in all of Afghanistan, unlike the Karzai government that operates in &#8220;Kabulistan.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, you must not make too much of headlines.  Sri Lanka achieved high growth in the middle of the 30 year civil war and a tsunami.  People live and work in Afghanistan every day, despite a few bombs here and there.</p>
<p>Again, I want to emphasize that our comment is on the ITU data, as supplied by the respective governments, not data that LIRNEasia has collected.</p>
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		<title>By: Hadi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is hard to believe that Afghanistan is ahead of Bangladesh in terms of, well, anything that is positive. Except Kabul, do they have any stable government? How they install those base necessary for 29% penetration? How come those base stations remain safe amidst all those machine gun and mortar fire? 

Surely, Rohan you have got all the answers. Just show me the RIGHT link where I can read about it. 

Off topic: I saw you in Dhaka at the South Asian Mobile Summit. I was one the delegates from Grameenphone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is hard to believe that Afghanistan is ahead of Bangladesh in terms of, well, anything that is positive. Except Kabul, do they have any stable government? How they install those base necessary for 29% penetration? How come those base stations remain safe amidst all those machine gun and mortar fire? </p>
<p>Surely, Rohan you have got all the answers. Just show me the RIGHT link where I can read about it. </p>
<p>Off topic: I saw you in Dhaka at the South Asian Mobile Summit. I was one the delegates from Grameenphone.</p>
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		<title>By: Rohan Samarajiva</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2009/10/telecom-access-rankings-in-south-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-27989</link>
		<dc:creator>Rohan Samarajiva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 03:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Amar,  Again, no dispute about the need for standardized reporting.  See our unhappiness about Pakistan numbers that were overstated by 10 million:  http://lirneasia.net/2008/10/pakistan-numbers-come-crashing-down/.  

But as I said, ITU gets the numbers from the governments.  Governments can tell ITU to use standardized definitions, not us.  Whether you or I like the numbers or not, people all over the world use ITU numbers.  There is no alternative to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Amar,  Again, no dispute about the need for standardized reporting.  See our unhappiness about Pakistan numbers that were overstated by 10 million:  <a href="http://lirneasia.net/2008/10/pakistan-numbers-come-crashing-down/" rel="nofollow">http://lirneasia.net/2008/10/pakistan-numbers-come-crashing-down/</a>.  </p>
<p>But as I said, ITU gets the numbers from the governments.  Governments can tell ITU to use standardized definitions, not us.  Whether you or I like the numbers or not, people all over the world use ITU numbers.  There is no alternative to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Amar</title>
		<link>http://lirneasia.net/2009/10/telecom-access-rankings-in-south-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-27976</link>
		<dc:creator>Amar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Case in point: Vietnam, the ITU reported 70 million cell subscribers by the end of 2008. And as you mentioned was provided by the Govt. Now by their own admission, the Ministry of communication has just said &quot;Vietnam Says Half of Official Subscribers May Be Inactive&quot; http://www.cellular-news.com/story/40002.php. Now when the ITU compares countries like Bangladesh, India, Vietnam all in the same benchmark, in the same context, they are basically fooling people. Investors (Journalists) all around the world look at these stats to make investments and form opinion about a particular nations. And these falsified stat just bring negative connotation to BD. Maybe the BTRC should also be embellishing/inflating the mobile subscriber data to fit into the Govt&#039;s agenda of &quot;Better Image&quot; to the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Case in point: Vietnam, the ITU reported 70 million cell subscribers by the end of 2008. And as you mentioned was provided by the Govt. Now by their own admission, the Ministry of communication has just said &#8220;Vietnam Says Half of Official Subscribers May Be Inactive&#8221; <a href="http://www.cellular-news.com/story/40002.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.cellular-news.com/story/40002.php</a>. Now when the ITU compares countries like Bangladesh, India, Vietnam all in the same benchmark, in the same context, they are basically fooling people. Investors (Journalists) all around the world look at these stats to make investments and form opinion about a particular nations. And these falsified stat just bring negative connotation to BD. Maybe the BTRC should also be embellishing/inflating the mobile subscriber data to fit into the Govt&#8217;s agenda of &#8220;Better Image&#8221; to the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Amar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am venting my frustration because the data that they use are so out of whack. The data for total population and active/total cell subscribers are not clear. BTRC started maybe a year ago to count ONLY active sim so how does this relate to the data from other countries. Thus at this point it like comparing apples and oranges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am venting my frustration because the data that they use are so out of whack. The data for total population and active/total cell subscribers are not clear. BTRC started maybe a year ago to count ONLY active sim so how does this relate to the data from other countries. Thus at this point it like comparing apples and oranges.</p>
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		<title>By: South Asia is the territory of the Mobile - ProPakistani</title>
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		<dc:creator>South Asia is the territory of the Mobile - ProPakistani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Telecom Access Rankings in South Asia &#124; Tea Break</dc:creator>
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